Discusión:Cronología
Events and the Chronology
For each book we need a list of the major events to enumerate in this article, and then described in articles. Joe ST (talk) 06:33, 10 June 2012 (EDT)
Hero of Ages/Alloy of Law/Warbreaker/Way of Kings Chronology
The page doesn't seem to be quite right.
From the TOR Q&A, Brandon Says:
The Alloy of Law takes place around 300 years after The Hero of Ages and several hundred years before the events in The Way of Kings. That does put it around the same time as Warbreaker.
When Sanderson refers to WoK here, I think he's referring to the main body, not the prelude from 4500 years ago.
So, if we use Way of Kings as time 0, we should have:
| Time (Year) | Event/Book |
|---|---|
| -500 | The Hero of Ages |
| -200 | Alloy of Law |
| -200 | Warbreaker |
| 0 | The Way of Kings |
More TWG discussion.
Oxylus 22:44, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
- see wotdb:708#7 and wotdb:715#8. Joe ST 06:13, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
ah so Brandon changed time. ;) So now we have (roughly)
| Time (Year) | Event/Book |
|---|---|
| -500 | The Hero of Ages |
| -200 | Warbreaker |
| 0 | The Way of Kings |
| 10 (?) | Alloy of Law |
Oxylus 10:58, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Rewrite of the Chronology
Have completely re-written the page hopefully that's not too much info in the Elantris and Mistborn sections, I didn't have Warbreaker, AoL or WoK with me so they're all about the same, will add to them and provide references for the rest soon.--Voidus 06:17, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- This was totally awesome, man. Like, seriously. I edited the time between Hero of Ages and Alloy to be correct (it's 341 after Sazed's ascension). I may want to edit the Scadrial timeline to be in terms of the Lord Ruler's ascension, but we'll see! Awesome job, man. -- Chaos2651 06:15, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Yeah I did think about that, I wasn't sure which to go for, Kelsiers return doesn't seem like a big enough event to base a timeline around, but TLR ascension is quite a bit in the past, so there would be a massive timeline gap of ~1000 years, but then I suppose it won't really make that much difference.--Voidus 03:57, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
- Maybe a few subsections should be made: a subheading for the Ascension (of Rashek), and a second one for the Ascension of Sazed, Then you can reference internal events to a single or multiple boundaries if you want. (AKA mb4 can be referenced to Sazed, mb1-3 can be referenced to both, Alendi's time sit's before Rashek and only references that, and any internal Final Empire stuff can go from the start (aka the games (which I just lost))) Joe ST 05:33, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
- You have to remember that the years may have been different due to the changing of the orbit of Scadrial.
- Other than that, this is a fantastic rewrite :D It works much better, thank you Joe ST 05:34, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
- I think for Final Empire timescales, the Lord Ruler's Ascension is the *only* thing that they'd base their calendars on. So while the numbers are rather big, it makes sense in-world. For post-Rebirth times, it makes sense to change the calendar in terms of Sazed. I just shot off a tweet to Peter asking if the Final Empire years are significantly different from other Scadrial years. When Peter has answered my timescale questions about Scadrial before, he's always said that it is an Earth-analogue world. For example, Scadrial has seven days in a week (with no qualification of in-FE or not). So I am hoping that the years are the same, even though that makes little astronomical sense. I hope. -- Chaos2651 07:37, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
- Definitely a good question to ask. TLR's moving of Scadrial closer to its star should have sped up its revolutions, thus shortening the year. Perhaps not noticeably, but it should have been. Let us know when you find out; I'll probably end up using this (and other notes) to put together a graphical version (at some point).--Darniil 18:22, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
- I think for Final Empire timescales, the Lord Ruler's Ascension is the *only* thing that they'd base their calendars on. So while the numbers are rather big, it makes sense in-world. For post-Rebirth times, it makes sense to change the calendar in terms of Sazed. I just shot off a tweet to Peter asking if the Final Empire years are significantly different from other Scadrial years. When Peter has answered my timescale questions about Scadrial before, he's always said that it is an Earth-analogue world. For example, Scadrial has seven days in a week (with no qualification of in-FE or not). So I am hoping that the years are the same, even though that makes little astronomical sense. I hope. -- Chaos2651 07:37, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Yes the year would have to be different I think, my physics isn't great but I thought that there was only one speed you could travel at and produce a stable orbit of a set radius, Chaos could probably do more on that but yeah the year would definitely be different so I'm thinking the timeline will have to be split into TLR time and Sazed time.--Voidus 18:38, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Events on Roshar
I have updated some dates in relation to several existing dates, but I have encountered a contradiction. In The way of kings, chapter 37, titled "FIVE AND A HALF YEARS AGO" it said "Now thirteen years of age, Tien". Does anyone know in relation to what date, the chapter titles are dated? (Considering the way the book is built, I suspect it's in relation to the last event in the book.) --Mbg (talk) 13:55, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
Hey, how did someone manage to get the correct dates for the in-world calendar? I didn't think we knew exactly when that was? Also the dates for the Hierocracy seem to be a bit out, it's around 5 centuries before Dalinars visions from [1]--Voidus (talk) 00:53, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Adolin/Elhokar/Renarin
Ages of all three are mentioned in 'The way of kings', interlude 2. However I can't pin point, when it take place, right now it pin dated in relation to the last year. Is it a guess based on the content(make sense) or I missed something? --Mbg (talk) 07:51, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Books in Chronological Order
Is this section relates the Chronological Order of the main plot in those books, or its publishing date? --Mbg (talk) 00:11, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
- It corresponds to their order in the timeline of the cosmere, not publication order -- Chaos2651 (talk) 00:16, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
- Interesting, do we have a source for that timeline or is it inferred from the books? --Mbg (talk) 00:58, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
- Most every interview we've done with Brandon can be found here, in the Interview Database. It contains all of that info. It's pretty up-to-date and I'll be working to put the newer interviews in as soon as I can. Please note that any references to Alloy of Law taking place before TWoK are out of date, they occur concurrently, with AoL perhaps a hair later. --Windrunner (talk)
Location of White Sand
Now that the first volume of White Sand has been released, should it be put in its rightful place in the timeline (namely, before Elantris)? Or should we wait until the first 3 volumes are released and the plot of the prose draft has been integrated into the official Cosmere? --Landis963 05:13, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
Major Cosmere Events
The timeline of events currently does not have any major shardic events in it, such as the shattering or Odium splintering shards. I could add these to the events on planets, but I think it would be useful to have a major cosmere events section with just the things that have a large impact on the cosmere. What do others think? Thegatorgirl00 (talk) 20:31, 10 December 2016 (MST)
- I agree. Was thinking that myself when I linked somebody here the other day. - Jofwu (talk) 21:44, 10 December 2016 (MST)
- This is another page (similar to the old Astronomy one) that maybe shouldn't be a distinct page. I'm fine with you adding to it and would encourage such useful additions, but the planet sections might be more sensibly moved into their respective planetary history's. --Joe ST (talk) 04:53, 11 December 2016 (MST)
- I gave this some thought... I think there is place for a Chronology page. It should be a meta page that focuses on the general chronological order of the books. But I do agree that the detailed timelines should be tucked somewhere else. I imagine a History section on the "Cosmere" page that lists best-known dates for major events in the Cosmere. And the more specific timelines can fit into sections on the world or planetary system pages- whichever is more appropriate. That's my opinion anyways. - Jofwu (talk) 06:54, 12 December 2016 (MST)
- I like the idea of the individual planet/system pages having the detailed timeline. I agree with Jofwu that this page is useful to talk about the ordering of the books. Maybe we could move the world timeline but leave links on the page to each system? E.g. "For a timeline of events on Roshar, see Rosharan system" or something like that. It serves the secondary purpose of making this page spoiler-free as well, more useful for newcomers. --BeskarKomrk (talk) 09:50, 12 December 2016 (MST)
- I gave this some thought... I think there is place for a Chronology page. It should be a meta page that focuses on the general chronological order of the books. But I do agree that the detailed timelines should be tucked somewhere else. I imagine a History section on the "Cosmere" page that lists best-known dates for major events in the Cosmere. And the more specific timelines can fit into sections on the world or planetary system pages- whichever is more appropriate. That's my opinion anyways. - Jofwu (talk) 06:54, 12 December 2016 (MST)
- This is another page (similar to the old Astronomy one) that maybe shouldn't be a distinct page. I'm fine with you adding to it and would encourage such useful additions, but the planet sections might be more sensibly moved into their respective planetary history's. --Joe ST (talk) 04:53, 11 December 2016 (MST)